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Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 09:13
od del42sa
yuri.cs píše:Priblizne asi Llano 500, Trinity 700 a Kaveri 1000 GFLOPS.
Takze 40% ehm... Piledriver je porad stejny, IPC nevyskoci. Vyrobni proces je porad stejny, takze tam frekvence nenahoni/jednotky nepridaji a ani spotrebu nesrazi. Architektura GPU zustava stejna.
Konec spekulací : Richland 32nm, Kaveri se vrátilo do roadmapy a bude do konce roku 2013
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/ces-2013- ... este-letos
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6567/amd- ... -live-blog
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 09:22
od ArgCZ
ok, Kaveri ještě letos..
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 09:50
od del42sa
souhrn:
Kabini/Tamesh are 28nm and has come up very well. (whatever that's worth)
Kabini/Tamesh systems on market 1H 2013.
Kabini = 50%+ performance increase from Brazos 2.0.
Tamesh = 2 core & 4 core
Tamesh = up to 100% more graphics performance than "Hondo"
Kaveri available for shipment 2H 2013.
Richland = 20-40% more performace than Trinity with improved battery life.
Richland = A8/A10
Kabini = A4/A6
Tamesh = A4/A6
Kód: Vybrat vše
Testing and projections develop by AMD Performance Labs. The score for the 2012 AMD A10-4600M on 3DMark 11 was 1150 and the 2012 AMD A8-4555M was 780 while the “Richland” 2013 AMD A10-5750M was 1400 and the AMD A8-5545M was 1100. PC configuration based on the “Pumori” reference design with the 2012 AMD A10-4600M with Radeon™ HD 7660G graphics, the 2012 AMD A8-4555M with AMD Radeon™ HD 7600G graphics, the 2013 AMD A10-5750M with AMD Radeon™ HD 8650G graphics and the 2013 AMD A8-5545M with AMD Radeon™ 8510G Graphics. All configurations use 4G DDR3-1600 (Dual Channel) Memory and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit. RIN-1
Test conducted in AMD Performance Labs using FutureMark 3DMark Vantage P as a metric for GPU performance and PCMark Vantage as a metric for CPU performance. The AMD Z-60 APU-based system scored 455 and 1914 in 3DMark and PCMark respectively. The AMD A6-1450 APU-based system delivers scores of 981 and 3123 in 3DMark and PCMark respectively. The platforms tested were the AMD Z-60 APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 6250 graphics, 2x 2GB DDR3-1066, Microsoft Windows 7 and the “Larne” reference platform with an AMD A6-1450 Quad Core 1.0GHz APU, AMD Radeon™ HD 8280 Series graphics, 2GB DDR3-1066 system memory and Microsoft Windows 7. TEM-2
Test conducted in AMD Performance Labs measuring productivity performance with PCMark Vantage. The "Kabini" A6 APU-based system scored 5271 while the "Brazos" APU-based system scored 2807. “Kabini” PC config is based off the "Larne" reference design with 2013 AMD A6-5200 APU with AMD Radeon HD 8400 graphics, 4G DDR3 1600, and Windows 8 64bit. "Brazos" PC config is based off the "Renmore" reference resign with 2012 AMD E2-1800 APU with AMD Radeon HD 7340 graphics, 4G DDR3 1333 and Windows 7 Ultimate. KBN-3
Testing and projections develop by AMD Performance Labs. The score for the 2012 AMD A10-4600M on the PCMark 7 Overall benchmark was 1965 and the 2012 AMD A8-4555M was 1650, while the “Richland” 2013 AMD A10-5750M was 2175 and the 2013 AMD A8-5545M was 1850. PC configs based on the “Pumori” reference design with the 2012 AMD A10-4600M with Radeon™ HD 7660G graphics, the 2012 AMD A8-4555M with AMD Radeon™ HD 7600G graphics, the 2013 AMD A10-5750M with AMD Radeon™ HD 8650G graphics and the 2013 AMD A8-5545M with AMD Radeon™ 8510G Graphics. All configs used 4G DDR3-1600 (Dual Channel) Memory and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit. RIN-4
Based on testing and calculations by AMD Performance Labs, the 2013 AMD A-Series "Richland" platform enables 780 min./13:00 hours of Screen on idle / eReader. Battery life calculations based on a 6 cell Li-Ion 62.16Whr battery pack at 98% utilization. AMD defines "all-day" battery life as 8+ hours of battery life in Windows Idle. Test configuration: "Pumori" reference board, AMD A6-5350M APU with AMD Radeon™ HD 8450G Graphics, 4G DDR3-1600 (Dual Channel) Memory and Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit, 14" 1366 x 768 eDP Panel / LED Backlight set at 100 nits, HDD (SATA) - 250GB 5400rpm, 62Whr Battery Pack and Windows 7 Home Premium. RIN-5
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 10:00
od webwalker
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 10:10
od del42sa
ne potvrzeno přímo na konferenci od samotného AMD:
07:14PM EST - The latter is pretty easy when Nintendo, Sony and MS all will use AMD GPUs next gen
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6567/amd- ... -live-blog
AMD Blog o nových APU:
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pa ... _apus.aspx
“Richland” is expected to come bundled with new software for consumers such as gesture- and facial-recognition to dramatically expand and enhance consumers’ user experiences. The follow-on to “Richland” will be the 28nm APU codenamed “Kaveri” with revolutionary heterogeneous system architecture (HSA) features which is expected to begin shipping to customers in the second half of 2013.
“Temash” is AMD’s elite low-power mobility processor for Windows 8 tablets and hybrids. AMD expects “Temash” to be the highest-performance SoC for tablets in the market, with 100 percent more graphics processing performance2 than its predecessor (codenamed “Hondo.”)
“Kabini” targets ultrathin notebooks with exceptional battery life and offers impressive levels of performance in both dual- and quad-core options. “Kabini” is expected to deliver an increase of more than 50 percent in performance3 over the previous generation of AMD essential computing APUs (codenamed “Brazos 2.0.”)
“Richland” brings increases in both CPU4 and graphics along with improvements in battery life5. “Richland” APUs are expected to come bundled with a wealth of elite software experiences which include gesture- and facial-recognition, wireless connectivity directly to TVs and monitors, and prioritization of system resources when streaming video.
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 10:57
od flanker
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 11:47
od del42sa
to s tou
pastou je dobrej ojeb, ale vzhledem k velikosti čipu to nebude takový problém jako u IB, která je o dost menší....
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 13:11
od flanker
přesně tak...
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 13:27
od del42sa
ale jak správně podotknul Yuri, zajímalo by mě jak těch 40% dosáhli ?

Je to docela dost vysoké číslo, na pouhý refresh na stejném výrobním procesu.... ( spekulace: vylepšený Piledriver, některé instrukce na AGLu, vyšší takty GPU, 1025MHz versus 800MHz u Trinity, agresivnější turbo aplikované i na GPU ) Je možné že má 32nm SOI ještě nějaké rezervy ? Domnívám se že ano.
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 13:29
od webwalker
del42sa píše:ale jak správně podotknul Yuri, zajímalo by mě jak tě 40% dosáhli ? Je to docela dost vysoké číslo, na pouhý refresh na stejném výrobním procesu.... ( spekulace: vylepšený Piledriver, některé instrukce na AGLu, vyšší takty GPU, 1025MHz versus 800MHz u Trinity, agresivnější turbo aplikované i na GPU )
To je jednoduché, za čtyřku připsali nulu

Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 13:56
od Maor
Kaveri v druhý půlce roku? nevěřím, jedině, že Richland pro desktop a Kaveri pro notesy. Kde to chtěj vyrábět, že by už GloFo rozjelo továrnu v New Yorku?
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 14:44
od flanker
tak asi, ale u APU vždy AMD nejpve úvdí notebooky a pak ža desktop, takže možná Kaveri notebookové uviíme při troše štěstí
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: úte 8. led 2013, 20:22
od nou
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: stř 9. led 2013, 10:20
od del42sa
webwalker píše:To je jednoduché, za čtyřku připsali nulu

Podle toho vysvětlení pod čarou je evidentní že jde o skóre v 3DMark 2011 a v Pc Mark 7 a týká se pouze mobilních verzí Richlandu, kde je daleko větší prostor pro zvyšování frekvencí (u GPU)
Testing and projections develop by AMD Performance Labs. The score for the 2012 AMD A10-4600M on 3DMark 11 was 1150 and the 2012 AMD A8-4555M was 780 while the “Richland” 2013 AMD A10-5750M was 1400 and the AMD A8-5545M was 1100.
Testing and projections develop by AMD Performance Labs. The score for the 2012 AMD A10-4600M on the PCMark 7 Overall benchmark was 1965 and the 2012 AMD A8-4555M was 1650, while the “Richland” 2013 AMD A10-5750M was 2175 and the 2013 AMD A8-5545M was 1850.
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: stř 9. led 2013, 13:54
od flanker
on bude prostor i u desktopu...vš je podřízené pouze TDP. I desktop dle mě dovolí s Richlandem +200 MHz vyšší takty na CPU. A grafický výkon se také zvedne díky jiné iGPU a mírně vyšším jejím taktům.
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: čtv 10. led 2013, 14:33
od del42sa
Originally Posted by Josh Walrath
On the desktop and traditional notebook market we will see the release of the Richland APU. This is a Trinity based product, but “optimized” for greater performance. The optimizations on the CPU portion are essentially some basic BIOS tweaks as well as small improvements in manufacturing which should allow higher clockspeeds at the same current TDPs. So we will see a couple hundred MHz improvements at the 17, 35, 65, and 95 watt TDPs. The low level BIOS/microcode changes are expected to improve the IPC of these products by a measureable amount, but do not expect anything truly massive. My expectations are within the 3 to 5% range for some if not most workloads.
The graphics side is a bit more of a rework. It is a redesigned graphics portion that will still use the VLIW4 architecture. I doubt that there will be more stream units, but they are changing the layout to improve efficiency. They are going from the current 3 SIMD units to 6 units. There are many other smaller tweaks to the design, but AMD expects a pretty sizeable increase in graphics performance without inflating the die size of the Richland APUs.
Akorát nevím co tím myslí ze 3 na 6 SIMD, když Trinity už 6 SIMD má ?
I když při troše optimalizací layoutu by se tam klidně další 2 SIMD vlezly. Neříkám, že to je případ Richlandu, spíš jen takové zamyšlení...
orignal TNT:
8 SIMD TNT:

Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: pát 11. led 2013, 09:20
od ArgCZ
pokud parametry zůstanou, nebude GPU výkon vyší o víc než 20%, pro představu, Trinity 1100/2133MHz odpovídá právě 20% nad defaultem(800/1866)
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: pát 25. led 2013, 08:38
od ArgCZ
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/frekvence ... -o-300-mhz
A10-6700 vypadá teda hodně dobře
ale výkon proti trinity bude asi nezměněn, proč "Richland" netuším, mohlo to být nadále Trinity, začínám pochybovat i o podpoře 2133MHz modulů
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: pát 25. led 2013, 09:38
od flanker
proč pochybovat? Je to jasné, zlepšení IMC. Zjistil jsem to v poslední době i s Visherou, Vishera dokáže projet nudné superpí 32M (tedy nějakých 18 minut nudy) i s RAM na 2650+ MHz (a rozumné nap+tí DRAM). Bulldozer to nedokázal a to mám asi 6ks Bulldozerů (Max něco málo nad 2500 MHz)...Další věc, Vishera mi nabootuje i s 2700+ CPUNB (1.275V), Bulldozer při tom ani nepostl. Takže já bych se osobně podpoře vyšších modulů nedivil.
Re: AMD family 12h/15h APU - Llano, Trinity, Richland - infa
Napsal: pát 25. led 2013, 10:09
od ArgCZ
Trinity vs Richland je piledriver vs piledriver, nikoli bulldozer vs piledriver