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To je uplne, ked chces podporit predaj...Dotovat?? Cilem vetsiny firem je generovat zisk. Pokud se neco dotuje, tak s vyhledem na vstup do vyrazne ziskoveho trhu.... coz notebookovy CPU rozhodne neni, to je naopak segment postupne vymirajici.
The CPU and GPU dies talk to each other over PCI-Express gen 3.0, wired through the package substrate.
The agreement between AMD and Intel is that Intel is buying chips from AMD, and AMD is providing a driver support package like they do with consoles. There is no cross-licensing of IP going on: Intel likely provided AMD with the IP to make the EMIB chipset connections for the graphics but that IP is only valid in the designs that AMD is selling to Intel (it's a semi-custom foundry business, these agreements are part of the job).
Asi čteš špatně ty, protožeKrteq píše:Asi čteš špatně, v těch článcích píší že se zdá že EMIB je jen PCIe propojení, ale Intel uvádí že je EMIB má vlastní řízení spotřeby a používá vlastní protokol, takže to tak jednoduché nebude.
Takže EMIB je "pouze" levnější náhrada interposeru.Firstly, judging by the wording and Intel's launch video, it can basically be confirmed that EMIB is only being used between the GPU and the HBM2. The distance between the CPU and GPU is too far for EMIB, so is likely just PCIe through the package which is a mature implementation. This configuration might also help with power dissipation if the chips are further apart.
nemáš pravdu:havli píše:Je to normalni dedikovane GPU s vlastni pameti pripojene k CPU pres pci-e. Akorat je to oboje nalepene na jednom kusu laminatu, zase bych tam nehledal nic prevratneho.
‘In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers… Similarly, the power sharing framework is a new connection tailor-made by Intel among the processor, discrete graphics chip and dedicated graphics memory. We’ve added unique software drivers and interfaces to this semi-custom discrete GPU that coordinate information among all three elements of the platform.’
...software drivers and interfaces...that coordinate information among all three elements of the platform
A oni nekde tvrdili, ze to je kremik fyzicky bez IGP? Bude to uplne normalni 2C/4C Kaby Lake vcetne grafiky, ktera bude deaktivovana. Asi by se to dalo udelat i prepinatelne IGP/DGPU jako notebooky bezne maji, ale pocitam, ze to nema smysl - ta AMD grafika bude v i idle jiste hodne usporna. Kvuli par mobilnim CPU nebude Intel utracet kotel penez a navrhovat extra Kaby Lake kremik bez grafiky. Xeony E3 taky mnohdy grafiku nemaji aktivni a presto jedou na stejnem kremiku.ArgCZ píše:nebo havli zná nějaký Kaby Lake bez Intel iGPU?
It looks like Intel is ready to make some announcements over the next few months on this project, and CES is just around the corner in January.
Mapik píše:Asi čteš špatně ty, protožeTakže EMIB je "pouze" levnější náhrada interposeru.Firstly, judging by the wording and Intel's launch video, it can basically be confirmed that EMIB is only being used between the GPU and the HBM2. The distance between the CPU and GPU is too far for EMIB, so is likely just PCIe through the package which is a mature implementation. This configuration might also help with power dissipation if the chips are further apart.
Doplnění: I ve videu tvrdí Intel, že EMIB je na "extreme short distances"
Však je to co jsem psal, tedy "zdá se" a "jako PCIe.Přesně, o nic jiného nejdeCageJ píše:PRACHY
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